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Colonel Tackard, do you believe really that flying saucers do exist or don't?

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Well, that's a matter of savannic. Dave, what do you mean by a flying saucer? Do you mean a spaceship?

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No. I mean that other than a flying saucer.

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Exactly. I believe unidentified flying objects occur and that many solid citizens see them.

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What do you think they are?

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Well, in most instances we've been able to explain all of them as either conventional objects under extenuating circumstances or some form of aerial phenomena.

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Well, phenomena isn't an object, is it?

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No, it's not.

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We said objects, we said.

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All right.

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That rule out phenomena. What about unidentified objects?

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However, it's originally reported as an object.

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Well, if it isn't, it's matter of savannic, she said.

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That's right.

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What was the other classification now of this you just mentioned, either phenomena or conventional objects under extenuating circumstances?

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The aircraft, right?

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I see.

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An unusual light condition.

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Right.

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Or in a fog or something like that.

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That opinion was given by Lieutenant Colonel Lawrence Tackard, U.S. Air Force, spokesman on the question of unidentified flying objects.

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An author that just published book, Flying Saucers and the U.S. Air Force.

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The official Air Force story, it says here.

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Major Keyhoes, I guess it's one in two.

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Major Donald Keyhoes.

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Do you believe that flying saucers or UFOs, unidentified flying objects exist, Major?

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Yes, I do, particularly.

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And we've evaluated evidence in our National Committee in Washington.

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Excuse me, I'm sorry.

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I confused the semantic issue here.

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I said both at the same time.

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Do you believe that flying saucers exist?

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Well, I don't like that nickname anymore in the Air Force.

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I believe that flying objects under intelligent control exist.

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And that's the belief shared by the majority of our committee in Washington.

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Flying objects under intelligent control?

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That's right.

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Well, that's the belief of Major Donald Keyhoes, Marine Corps, retired.

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Author of several books and head of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon.

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This book, Colonel Tackard, has occupied me over a bunch of the weekend.

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It was a very exciting book to read.

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I've read some of Major Keyhoes' books, too.

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Air Force figures, I believe, show that they're been 6,523 reported findings over the past 13 years.

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What percentage of these, according to Air Force standards, remain unexplained?

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I'd have to go back to the early days and admit that in the very beginning, when this

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was the first time that the Air Force had ever been exposed to the new subject in, say,

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47 in 1950, that the unknowns or the unidentified cases ran as high as 20%.

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By 1953, they were down to 9%, and now they run somewhere between 2 and 3%.

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2 and 3%?

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Yes, sir.

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Major Keyhoes, do you agree with that?

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No, I don't.

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But the Air Force has issued a statement.

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In fact, it's repeated in the Colonel's book here, without any qualifications, that the

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Air Force has explained all but about 2% of the totals.

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I have here a letter signed by an official in the Air Force, says that, up to the end of 1959,

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there were 565 cases unexplained, a total of 9 and 410% and incidentally, the official was Colonel Lawrence Jay Tackard.

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I know, but you keep putting out this statement that the Air Force has explained all but so

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so all of the total reported and it doesn't qualify.

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It gives people the impression that you have only a triple left of those cases.

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What about that, Colonel?

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Well, I think I stated it correctly when you initially asked me, Dave.

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I said in the early days that they probably ran higher.

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The investigative techniques, one is good.

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We, with the new subject, this is where the science fiction type thing that Major Gihl Rice got started.

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May I read a paragraph from the book here?

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Many sightings by qualified or reliable witnesses have been reported.

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However, each of them seems to have an unsatisfactory effect associated with it, such as shortness of time under observation.

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If you saw Marilyn Monroe walking by and you saw for one second, would that be adequate?

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Quite probably recognized.

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That's what I mean.

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Inacrid estimates of distance from the observer.

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How is that known, if they're inacrid?

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Generally, just by a simple mathematical computation at the technical intelligence level.

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How do they know? What the distance is?

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Well, just based upon the size of the object given.

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Well, they can be clear.

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But the object isn't given.

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It generally is, in the report.

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The object and the sign, the approximate sign.

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Or if we don't want the object to be given, we give the sign.

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Well, they give the sign.

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That's the period in the sightings.

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Oh, the angular sign.

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Why don't they say anything about the distance, I think?

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Oh, they can work out distance, I think.

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Was one starting with an angular object like a star or a planet or anything?

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That's fair.

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Well, the astronomy would like to know that as a doctor's fact.

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It says, not the photographs.

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Was the photograph taken or something?

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No, a photograph wants to be taken, but a photograph is good evidence.

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This is the lack of a satisfactory fact.

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Or a satisfactory fact.

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That's right.

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Wouldn't it be much better to have one?

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A serious lack of, yes, but not having one, again, at Maryland Rural Rock Fire,

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you might not get the picture, but you'd show us who's there.

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A serious lack of descriptive data that's just why you're saying something, yeah.

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I think you might know what you're saying, too.

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A serious lack of descriptive data that prevented definitely conclusions from being drawn.

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Again, at Maryland Rural Rock Fire, and would you have the serious lack of descriptive data

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that's prevented definitely conclusions?

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Yes, sir.

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You have to draw conclusions.

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You think you might say that?

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When you see something and you describe it, you have to draw conclusions about it.

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What if you cite the data, and you describe it?

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I don't think so.

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But there we go.

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Major Kevo, let's take you on the phone right now.

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And after we take a first look at the picture.

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I'm talking with Senator Tillerson, my current major, too, how long.

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I'm identified as Flying Optics.

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Major, you've maintained this for some years now, I believe, that the Air Force

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has put in place a lot of new misinformation from the Republican government subject to court.

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How do you support such a serious charge?

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We stand very confidential at court.

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When I see you're confidential, I really was confidential to members of Congress.

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Well, true, I am too, sir.

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At this stage, I'm a digest of the evidence.

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Now, the Indian School of Crimes Actors says that all the Congressmen who talked with the Air Force officers

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about this topic were completely satisfied with their percentages.

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I'd like to mention the letters.

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I have all the letters here and about this one in Washington State.

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Representative John McClamick, House Secretary Leader.

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This is a House Select Committee which is a good chairman.

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I try to get information that they were not able to do so.

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And the number of them were convinced that they were unsclaimed officers.

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Representative George Clark said on executive stations that they tried to get the Air Force

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to address the security and that this was involved in the nation.

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I think that's what was going on there.

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He's never taken reference to security.

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Representative Clark, the lawyer.

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Are you calling the lawyer in general?

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Why the lawyer?

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Did you read the phone to the court?

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Carl, the lawyer, we're in your office.

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I do follow up on Mr. Warner, the lawyer.

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I'd like to hear the word lawyer if I can.

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You read it. You went on and brought it up.

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I know. I'm waiting for it.

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You're trying to keep me from reading the letters.

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I'm not trying to.

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No, I'm doing it.

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We have letters here from a number of Congressmen who say they are completely

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and seriously concerned over the secrecy.

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This report, they accepted as proof that these objects were red or yellow and should

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be driven by other rats.

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What did you call about the following, Mr. Colonel?

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I asked, what do you call a white statement?

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No, I...

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I recall what you said.

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You said in reference to one of those, have you read the letter at space?

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Yes, and I asked if you were saying that General White's statement was an omni.

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In regard to what?

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In regard to what?

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In regard to the fact that no spaceships have ever been found.

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Oh.

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That they don't exist.

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That wasn't all we were talking about.

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No, it was not.

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And I would, if I can, I'd like to finish this.

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This is what Dr. Wielbos spoke about.

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This was approved by the Fulminant Central Intelligence Agency by General Allen Carter,

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by General Wielbos, Colonel Anderson, and I know it was her.

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Thank you for knowing, for the London Realtorject, and about 200 scientists, engineers,

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and others, uh, who could be called crackpot type.

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Well, in the air, these people said that they are concerned with it,

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but to me, they just stayed in the house and they started to hear from the folks.

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It was an attempt to really get an understanding of how it was, and there was no such power.

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The policy is to say that, in the first, to explain when the Air Force Regulation 200-2

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said that, but B-9, I know it's B-9, says all air force extradition has produced the report

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to the minimum.

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I am not a member of the Air Force Regulation 200-2, but I am a member of the Air Force Regulation

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200-2, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know

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that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know

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that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know

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that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's

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that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know

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that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9, and I know that it's B-9,

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and we didn't need to do that.

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Colonel, you quoted General White forward to the book, and the book is described as the official Air Force story.

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Nowhere in the book is it said it's the official Air Force story.

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It's a chapter in the title of the official Air Force position, but it's written that way by the Department of Defense.

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I see.

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Colonel White, who of course is Chief of Staff, U.S. Air Force, has it forward,

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but what he essentially says is that under those five blackout leaders I investigated,

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so far not a single bit of material evidence has been disrespected,

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but it's just been found.

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What you have to...

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Twenty times in there, Dave, is the fact that by an act of Congress,

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the United States Air Force is charging the air defense to the United States.

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You can't separate U.S. homes from our air defense mission.

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No, we can't possibly do it.

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And we'll charge with it, therefore we go up.

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We expand once at time, based on these things.

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But must material evidence of the existence of something be found before it's real?

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Certainly, I believe so.

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I don't think you have any.

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Do you have a piece of lube in your hand?

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No.

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Is it real?

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Oh, I think it was.

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Yeah, but then you have a spectrum analysis of light,

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and you've taken...

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I'm not a scientist, I'm an information officer.

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I'm a reporter.

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But there are such things as photographs and spectrum analysis,

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and mathematical tools that they can do up to a basis.

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And so, there's a pure scientist against that.

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I'm not a very statement by somebody that's pure of space.

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I believe it is an act of faith.

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But I object to and it's a countless,

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lying, and the answer is with only information.

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This is ridiculous.

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Well, this thing is ridiculous.

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One of the problems is that it has a little extra power.

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Yes, it does.

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Well, you mean everything is ridiculous.

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No, but I feel for over.

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We have a clear determination.

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You can't prove it because we have cases you know we don't.

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And if you have...

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You have cases you know we don't.

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I'm talking about my case.

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What is my case?

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My case is a UFO happy group.

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Oh, no, it's not.

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Are you saying that human car,

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there's talk that we've got high air force officers

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trying to do the bright enforcers

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or a criminal man can send their forces?

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You have to be a man.

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I'm not trying to pressure you.

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Matter of fact, keep your temper.

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We might get out of sight.

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I have no temper here.

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I will make you an order.

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I will agree to appear with you in public

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and suppose that we don't have time to put on here.

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If you can prove what you say is true,

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I will resign as Director Nicaragua

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recommend to Edmond Norgun as we disband.

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I will tell Edmond Norgun to get evidence up.

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I will do this as a station.

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We've just taken out ten minutes of the show.

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Later on we can come back for ten more minutes.

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Right now we're going to take the news, alright?

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And I think if we can do a part for those

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intervening fifteen minutes, it might be wise.

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No problem, Dave. No problem.

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I'm enjoying it.

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I hope Major Keoh is.

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I hope you are too.

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Here's the news right now, Frank.

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Can you in the background hear us?

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The switch bar just led us to Charles

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about our discussion with Brian Sussman

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from the U.S. Air Force here.

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The news worked out that the British Air Force

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was between the Colonel and the United States Air Force.

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We were just discussing it.

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Major Donald Keoh

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was one of the trouble-boots on

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the believe it's a fine object,

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but we find causes of space ships.

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Let's continue.

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Let's talk about the time.

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That's what we can.

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For the life of these U.S. aircrafts,

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I want to take another break.

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To astronomy information, give it a here.

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As a trade astronomy information,

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the chapter of the Union to the School,

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where you say many things are

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really astronomical objects,

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there's just been music

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that lasted four hours or several years.

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Like twenty-seven.

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Well, you might be

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fairly familiar with it.

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I'm a mechanic, you can mine, I would be boarding.

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I got this from the scientific people.

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But it's in the book,

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and it could be taken, therefore, fresh.

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But an aircraft, you're thinking about

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the planet Venus now.

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As the aircraft moves to the atmosphere

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and is advanced in its position,

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relative to the object naturally changes.

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Does the object work for a change of position?

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The aircraft changes its position.

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Oh, ten miles out of

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any minute.

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Oh, I see.

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You mean it would be inconsistent.

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Well, no matter where you fly in the air,

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Venus would be almost exactly the same place.

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Is your idea correct?

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No, about a dozen of those,

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but I would be able to take up

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what I wanted to say.

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Well, you might be familiar with the answer

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to buy that change.

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Not too far now, but the planet

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that remains the same.

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If the aircraft is in the body based on

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the shape of the aircraft,

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please, that's what they measure.

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Oh, measure?

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The time is special.

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Is it in the stars?

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Or in the rotation of the air?

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Well, not in any

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periods, but when the aircraft moves

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to the atmosphere,

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it doesn't care to be moving.

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The sun doesn't care to move in the sky.

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The aircraft is what they mean.

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The thing is the actual

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axis of the body is the

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axis of the aircraft.

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That's what I believe.

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Okay, measure it.

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You have to do it.

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Well, I wanted to say that the whole thing

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waits on the weight of air.

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We have gone into

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the airport's air force test release

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in 52-53.

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They were released to find a lot of cases

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to make.

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The advice we have

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includes some of the top scientists in the country.

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Then, you mentioned

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Dr. Olivier,

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an American media society.

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My readers should know that the American media society

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is a member of my cap, as well as Dr. Olivier.

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He does not agree with the air force stand.

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And it's safe to say

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you also mentioned Dr. Carl G. Gryll,

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the famous analyst.

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He's a fly-bear, but he thinks everybody's

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correct, but Dr. Gryll is also a member of my cap.

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I have two letters here from

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Leland, which he says,

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I have no doubt that these things may be real.

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It seems the last book,

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referring to my last book,

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seems to prove that they are real.

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And he says,

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the air force policy is

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stupidly, stupidly

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out of sight, so logical because it'll do.

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It will create a more than it will help.

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They are without the information.

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They are without the information.

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Well, according to all the congressmen

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I have talked with recently about this,

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and they say the air force is.

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Now, in 1957

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we asked you for

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a number of cases.

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We didn't even have the courage to reply to those cases.

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We just feel them are very hot.

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And for short time,

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I'm asking you about the last book.

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What are you talking about?

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I asked you for the inside of the Captain Ryan case

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where you people sent an airliner to chase one of these objects.

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And the case

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is that they didn't have a Saturday airliner to chase one of these objects.

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I have the case, the transcript,

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and I have the case of the Senator Manron.

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I have never heard it.

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I have never heard it.

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I have the transcript here.

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I can do a copy of it.

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The state is they were ordered to chase the electric force

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and pass it to chase this thing for 100 miles.

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All of this evidence

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says it impressed enough people.

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Now, I would say you might question

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Senator very Goldwater who is a regular general

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in the Air Force Reserve.

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He said, I had lunch with him about two or three years ago.

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He said he was convinced

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that this thing was real.

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He said it's still later than the newspaper.

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He didn't say what they were,

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but they were real and he says the Air Force clams up.

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You can't disagree with the last

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the book, the Senator and the regular general.

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I checked that paper now.

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You made that on the last,

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you made that very point on the last program you are on with this.

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Yeah, I checked that out in his office.

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They have no record.

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No, they don't.

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Well, I'll show you the record.

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That's what I mean. You keep blocking about the record.

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You realize the evidence.

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We're all talking about the first

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in the history of the air force.

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The visible optics are there.

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No, no.

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One more person I'd like to mention,

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and that's President Elect Kennedy.

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A buddy year ago,

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he wrote to one of our members

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and called it an important topic.

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Now, would you say that he was deluded

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to think it's a real and point topic?

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And I want to stress right now

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that the Air Force has denied the possibility

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of being the simply face of today.

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There is no evidence

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to come up with a sensational claim

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that there are extraterrestrial

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vehicles in our...

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In 1948,

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you have denied that document exists.

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In 1948, there was a top secret estimate

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to these things for inter-flighted flights.

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Now, that was stated first

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by Captain Rupelhead of the project.

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He stated that he said it was a black document

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stamped top secret on the cover.

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And it said that it wasn't any

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just a signature.

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Later, we checked with Major Jury Borne

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with the monitor of the project

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at that time and is now on our board.

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I have a letter which I'll show you later

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which he said,

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hereby confirming the existence

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of two documents the Air Force has denied,

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one of them is a 1948 S-Mission,

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and the other is his own 1952 conclusion,

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which you also have kept under arrest.

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It's his conclusion.

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It's not ACIC's on the airport.

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It's Mike's say right now

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there's no such document.

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Yes, sir.

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Could you afford to say

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in your official position

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that there would be such a document

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if it were secret?

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Could I say?

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If there's such a document that exists

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and it were top secret or secret,

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could you admit to the existence of it?

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As a kind of criminal in the Air Force.

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I doubt it.

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But, many of the top secret

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that hasn't gone through all the documents

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there is no such document.

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What you just said,

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you doubt if you could say so.

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I can say there is a...

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Burnt,

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declares by the Burnt according to the roof.

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Well, I just made this general.

492
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000
Can an officer at the next

493
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000
secret, is there any top secret document

494
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000
about it?

495
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000
Yes, you can.

496
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000
You can say you're in a classified area.

497
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000
And then it was a...

498
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000
Well, the situation doesn't exist in the UFO.

499
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000
Well, then we have to take

500
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000
that statement in view of the statement

501
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
you just made.

502
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000
I think.

503
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,000
What is no such document?

504
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000
An officer can say

505
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000
that you're fact-divided.

506
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000
That's right.

507
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000
That's the question I want to ask, right?

508
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000
Wait a minute. I'm sorry.

509
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000
I don't want to box you in here.

510
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
What's the matter?

511
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
Would you defend this book, please?

512
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000
Because we're attacking it, apparently.

513
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000
Why is the Air Force so...

514
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Why did you write

515
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000
an official book about the...

516
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000
I mean, I felt the book

517
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000
had to be written.

518
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000
Because I felt the Air Force

519
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000
was being set upon.

520
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000
Why did you keep...

521
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000
Why the other UFO

522
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000
hobby group

523
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000
who believe in

524
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000
the spaceship

525
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000
as a

526
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000
member of QSA.

527
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000
I felt that I had to do it

528
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000
because of these

529
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000
sensitive activations against the Air Force

530
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
in line with that.

531
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000
Let me for a minute

532
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000
show you

533
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000
that when the Air Force does an

534
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000
investigative flying software

535
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000
it has that, that is disposed of.

536
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000
And this must be the air efficient

537
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000
about the command.

538
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000
And this must be the air-intended air command.

539
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000
A national based

540
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
surveillance system

541
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
that is being used in the field.

542
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000
And that must be the mission 10 now.

543
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
On the first order.

544
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000
Because Russia and Iraq

545
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000
have something up.

546
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000
We have all the universities

547
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000
have the courage to offer

548
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,000
our disposal.

549
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
We have all the weather stations.

550
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000
We have sharpest radar stations.

551
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000
We have instantaneous communication.

552
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000
We have Air Bank, Alaska,

553
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Waste Park in Germany, Japan,

554
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000
any place we want.

555
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000
And what's your equipment?

556
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000
It's a plane fighter and a stationary.

557
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000
It's like an ATO.

558
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000
I think it's a good idea.

559
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000
May I answer that Mr. Garaway?

560
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000
Yes, sir.

561
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000
Our equipment

562
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
includes about 200 fans

563
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000
including office car numbers,

564
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000
missile trackers,

565
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000
first as Captain McLaughlin,

566
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000
the United States Navy,

567
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Professor Herman Ulbricht,

568
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
one of the great rock and expert.

569
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
We have several planes.

570
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
Our equipment is material,

571
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
sweet agon, and hand over to these

572
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
experts sometimes outside.

573
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
And you may have to wait a little while.

574
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
We get it from

575
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
confidential reports to us

576
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000
by some of your own Air Force people.

577
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
I think yes, that's a fact.

578
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
These things will be certified

579
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000
when we add one on

580
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000
the Austrian Air Force Base in 1957.

581
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
The Air Force denies that it happens

582
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
to CAA radar operators that they track

583
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
the aircraft over the Austrian Air Force Base.

584
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000
But what it boils down to

585
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
is you have to.

586
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
You're under orders to deny that.

587
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
That is not so.

588
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
If I were in your shoes,

589
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000
I would have to do exactly what you're doing.

590
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000
I don't know anything about my shoes.

591
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
I'm going to explain one case here.

592
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
I am not exactly that.

593
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000
Last August at Redmond House, California,

594
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000
two string troopers

595
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
reported

596
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000
they were citing an altitude which one time

597
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,000
was over 500 feet above their patrol car

598
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000
and set up their radio

599
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000
and swept the ground with the red light.

600
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
They pointed their own red light up

601
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000
and the doggy could easily find a nice beat.

602
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
The Air Force raised our red bus

603
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000
that they were tracking them.

604
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000
They told the San Francisco Chronicle

605
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
another paper.

606
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Wait a minute.

607
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
They told the news paper

608
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
that they had tracked them on the boat.

609
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
They told the news paper that

610
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
they had tracked them on the boat.

611
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000
They told the news paper about this.

612
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000
One more member of this and then we asked.

613
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000
The news paper says these people

614
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000
had been misled by seeing the planet Mars.

615
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000
A star in Algebra and

616
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000
a star in the field.

617
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000
Wait a minute.

618
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,000
We checked with the Hayden Planetarium

619
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000
in Boston and others from it.

620
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000
They checked just on the heavens.

621
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Mars did not rise for an hour

622
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000
and the good Algebra is outrised

623
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000
for two hours being used to three hours.

624
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,600
I understand that you've had to go on a vacation for six days.

625
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,200
Do you know what a temperature invasion is on North Texas?

626
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:03,700
What?

627
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,200
I mean, fractioning an horizon above the horizon.

628
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,200
What's the pressure?

629
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,200
Nothing for you.

630
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,200
You wouldn't think of the storm through the ocean.

631
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,200
The wind is just below the horizon.

632
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,200
I'm not going to argue with you.

633
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,200
I'm giving you a science-tinting community poll make.

634
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,200
You're putting your worries at the storm.

635
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,200
The stormers who are every day working out problems like that.

636
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200
I'm not giving you a worry at the storm.

637
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,200
It's a way for the United States to have a force there.

638
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Under contract and under orders to try to explain these away until you're ready to have three dick-tops.

639
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,200
Why don't you get off that kick?

640
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,200
You don't believe in yourself.

641
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,200
Well, I'm not my dose of personality.

642
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,200
But I will repeat my offer.

643
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,200
We have to leave you.

644
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,200
I don't know where we are.

645
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200
I wasn't very much into the flight.

646
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,200
I'm fascinated.

647
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,200
There's such an area of country for you.

648
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,200
Should I say peace?